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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings

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wednesday baby it's a ufo disclosure

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symposium

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being put on by stefa delic

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uap experiencer stephanie i'm your host

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dj along with my brother the artistic

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what's up y'all how's it going

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all right brother good evening man i'm

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glad i could i could uh sort of make it

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to this shindig it was a little touch

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and go but i'm here you know but some of

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it it was never touch and go never

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ever

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for flareus kevin

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what's up guys how's it going

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what's up

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good to see you yo good to see you

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and you know up in the upper right hand

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corner there's this young lady

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who has a penchant

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for doing ufo research it's

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kind of weird hi deb

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will you cop and admit to it

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uh a little bit of research once in a

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while like okay a lot okay once in a

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while a lot and the woman of the hour

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stefan dalek baby give it up

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hey what's up thanks for the warm

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welcome

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glad to be here yeah it's all good and

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we're about to bring on this guest here

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man uh hello joshua how are you doing

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williams hello and on and on at cool i

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like that and on et oh sorry see that's

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up is 401k

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all right this one this is what i want

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to tell you i want to bring this brother

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up in here

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uh carl the crusher and you know what

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nathan bring him on screen because i

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my man what

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say it to my face dj i'm gonna say it to

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your face carl the crusher man let's

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talk about this man

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okay let's talk your youtube channel

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you have more

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followers

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than the nations of slovenia

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and montenegro combined can you believe

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that the power that was mike

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they have 2.1 million and then if i add

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montenegro at 639 000 you still have

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i know that's what i thought when i

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started youtube in 2009 i was like if

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i'm not stopping until i passed

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montenegro

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well i'm gonna tell you something carl

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you have really beat that carl vibe

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because you've actually even if i add in

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liechtenstein and luxembourg you still

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haven't beat so i mean anybody who beats

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lichtenstein nathan come on man i know

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well look i remember years ago when you

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called out montenegro and you said i'm

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coming for you

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they didn't believe you but here you are

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you gotta set your goals high you know i

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okay eastern europe he's

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slovakia

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that's right

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welcome

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carl man i started uh i've just become

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aware of you because obviously um

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it wasn't enough that all these nations

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that the entire nation was following you

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and somehow

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it escaped me but man amazing content to

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watch you because you were out there

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immersed

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in the discovery so you know like when i

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met deb for instance uh carl she was

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using literally using a phone she didn't

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even have her the laptop she's currently

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using yet and she had done this enormous

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amount of research just on her phone and

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unearthed all these documents you're

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actually out there immersed in the

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discovering things please

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how did this happen please

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yeah um you know it's kind of funny i've

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been into it my whole life like curious

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about it and when i moved down here to

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southern utah like uh almost seven years

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i was watching tv and it was honestly

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like an episode of ancient aliens uh on

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tv and i was just wandering by and i

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noticed i was like man all these

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carvings and the petroglyphs they were

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showing are all on this like red

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sandstone rock and limestone so i got

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curious and jumped on the internet i was

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like holy crap these are like actually

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all around me everywhere that i live

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so i got curious and started going out

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and i realized i was like man i have a

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knack for actually

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finding these and i started finding some

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that weren't even documented around and

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realizing it seemed like

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there was patterns to them there was

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clues it seemed like they pointed

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in different directions and seemed to

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tell like a story beyond

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what the official story and what the the

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public and even the native american

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tribes were telling so i started trying

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to piece it together uh and really

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immerse myself into it and into the the

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folklore and the history around it and

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it kind of consumed my whole life i

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started making videos about my

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expeditions around it it took me up to

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the uinta basin up to blind frog ranch

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and around skinwalker ranch

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i've been over by area 51 and all over

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the place and so

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uh and recently you know a lot of these

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petroglyphs have led to a finding and

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now i'm actually going to be presenting

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like an hour-long presentation at the

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ufo disclosure symposium on saturday

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about some of the stuff that i've

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discovered that's been pretty wild

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that's what i'm talking about the ufo

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disclosure symposium that is why carl is

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here because he's going to be presenting

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uh i wish i was going to be there

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zeph is also part of organizing this

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joint i'm going to just call it a joint

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and i'm going to pass this over to money

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nathan but i think i'd be remiss if i

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didn't at least ask you a very simple

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what was that feeling like the first

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time you discovered something you saw

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something from an ancient people because

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i don't know if anybody else on the

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panel knows what that would feel like

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for me personally because i you know i

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studied so much about it and i go out

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hiking a lot and you you

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go out a lot and don't find anything

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that's the part that a lot of people

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don't realize is that i'll upload on my

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youtube channel maybe like a 15 minute

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long video but that might be at the end

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of three or four days of hiking and

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looking and not discovering anything and

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so sometimes i'll turn around a corner

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and i'll finally discover something that

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i feel like i've been trying to find

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and it's it's strange it's like a mix of

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um sometimes it's so spectacular i've

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like actually like sat down and got

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emotional and like cried for a little

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because um the amount of time that it's

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there is like a spiritual connection for

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me when i when i walk into these areas i

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feel like i'm i might be the first

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person to see this

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in maybe 8 000 years or something and

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and so i feel like i'm almost

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trespassing into someone's territory or

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land or their home and so

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i'll even i find myself talking out loud

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like uh walking up to the area like

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saying thank you and i'm expressing

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gratitude and i'll sit down and i get

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emotional for a minute and then i just

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take it all in and then once i feel like

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i've kind of absorbed it and my energy's

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there then i'll turn the camera on and

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try to to capture it as best i can but

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yeah i've had some pretty powerful

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set the equipment aside and i'll do like

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meditation and really try to connect

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with the area i've had some some good

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and bad experiences both so uh yeah but

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um i feel really connected with it

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with this uh

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location that i've discovered recently

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that i'm gonna be talking about at the

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symposium i feel like i've been

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crawling around the rocks in this area

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for over a year and very connected to i

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didn't even realize until later that

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where i was sitting and doing

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meditations in this one location was

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actually the ancient shamans seat where

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they used to sit and do the rituals in

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the ancient times i had no idea i was

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sitting on the actual rock itself

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where those things were being done for

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like a year i've been sitting there

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trying to connect with the petroglyphs

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and what they're trying to say and i was

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found out later that i was sitting in

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the actual spot they used to sit to do

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the ancient ceremonies it was pretty

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pretty interesting but yeah so i i love

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it it's a big part of my life now it's

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kind of uh become an obsession of mine

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i love your pro i love that you have a

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process uh and and it's great that you

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kind of just get it's almost like a yoga

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again you know you get comfortable in

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the space you kind of take stock of

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where you are and then you go about

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setting to actually instead of just

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running around crazy uh these guys know

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that i'm all the time looking for

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bigfoot and all i've found so far are

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deer feces and that's when i was doing

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sit-ups but uh let me pass it over to

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money nathan

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oh it's great to talk with you tonight

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uh your passion for this is just obvious

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it's really cool to see what you're

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doing out in the field

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and to see your involvement not only in

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your own research but what's happening

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in the larger ufo community

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with your research in particular

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you know i find it interesting because

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in america just for example we kind of

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don't have a very strong connection to

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our past

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you you know have intentionally tried to

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reconnect with the past

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with the past that is part of our land

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uh that was in our land for a very long

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time and i find that just to be very

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rewarding and fulfilling and redeeming

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and i'm sure that as you talk with

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people you probably encounter that as

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i'm also interested in the fact that

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rocks they uh

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you know they do have a propensity to

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crush things and uh

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you're also a crusher and you said you

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talk sometimes when you're out there uh

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you know are you communicating with the

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rocks and uh now that people know the

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rocks are talking back with you are you

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worried that other geologic formations

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may start reaching out and having

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to study and read uh and i still do the

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work of carl young and when he as a

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philosopher when he was a young child he

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used to go out in his backyard and sit

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on a rock

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and meditate and

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he would imagine himself as if he was

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the rock and

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and that there was a little boy sitting

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on top of him and then that he was the

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earth and there was a rock with a boy on

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top of him and he would shift his

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perspective around so i guess i can

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relate to that a little bit i do that

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when i go to these areas and meditate i

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don't know that i necessarily talk to

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the rock but i definitely open my

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consciousness up to other dimensions or

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time spaces or realities to try and see

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if there's any

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intuition or anything that i can

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get from that or learn or connect with i

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feel like it's part of what they do in

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remote viewing and all kinds of stuff is

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sort of connected so i try to open up my

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aperture and tap into all that instead

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of just

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plow into an area with my mind racing

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and my agenda going to get a video film

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so i try to do all of that at once but

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as far as the rocks talking back

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yeah i don't know if it's the rocks or

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mother earth or if it's another time but

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i definitely sometimes feel like there's

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a connection that opens up for sure and

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and that's come through in the little

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videos that you've already shown there

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seems to be a real sense of communion

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with the landscape

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and uh

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you know i'm i'm wondering if it's not

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just a matter of

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a phenomenon that just so happens to be

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there but it really is a connection that

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you have made

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with whatever that that happens to be

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and i i don't know i hope i'm sure

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you've explored that and thought about

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that

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uh as our as the ancients who used to

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live there no doubt had a connection as

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well uh with those particular places

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yeah i try to approach it all as if

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these locations if they are

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responsive to intention i try to go into

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it with the right intention and and to

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get that out of it because that's the

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way the myths and the folklore all

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relate that if you go into these with

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your life in disarray or with bad

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intentions that you're going to reflect

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that or take like a hitchhiker home or

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have bad experiences that result maybe

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even nightmares or things that affect

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your life personally and so i try to

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approach all that out of like respect

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and caution

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uh and and go into it uh mindful of that

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and i also try to back it up with

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science too i take in you know try field

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meter i take in

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um different investigation and

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investigative equipment night vision and

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so that when things do try to like kick

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up or occur if paranormal things start

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to happen i try to capture it and yeah

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i've i've actually caught quite a bit of

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strange stuff on my night vision camera

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and so it's going to be fun to reveal

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all of that soon

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so exciting

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uh i believe kevin and his long hair

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would like to speak with your beard

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let's do it hey mr carl it's got a lot

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to say

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yeah

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all right i i hope so i've got a lot to

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say too so carl young right memories

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dreams and reflections seems like you're

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a carl young man i am too he's one of my

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um

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big influences also uh graham hancock

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terence mckenna i think maybe we could

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probably talk you know yeah so i'm i'm

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wondering um i noticed that hancock and

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mckenna they explored the psychedelic

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aspect i was wondering

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um have you explored that as it relates

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to this to shamanism

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you know either i've had one experience

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with uh mushrooms that i did with a

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friend of mine on one occasion and

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honestly it was a a really amazing

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experience that was validating to me

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this was after probably doing meditation

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for like a year

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and i felt like it was like confirming

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to a lot of the meditation

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experiences and like visionary things

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that have happened to me just in my own

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spiritual practice

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that's honestly the only time i've ever

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done

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i feel like because

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my research does get criticized or if i

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do post videos if i find something it's

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going to get questioned i i don't go out

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into the field using psychedelics and

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honestly

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alone i would never do that right but i

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do think that it's valid to explore all

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aspects of the phenomenon and i know

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that even in

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higher levels even in the government and

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the cia and stanford research institute

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they were experimenting with all aspects

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of that and human consciousness and

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connecting with other realities and so i

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think there's validity to it exploring

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it but i think it should just definitely

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be done with caution and not for

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entertainment purposes

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absolutely yeah i agree i think it yeah

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i think it would be helpful that maybe

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helping create maybe a map of the psyche

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consciousness i think maybe yeah but

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definitely in a controlled setting i

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agree

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for sure

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yeah i think there's something to that

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whether it be through the different

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methods that are coming out recently you

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know the ce5 or different meditation

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approaches to the phenomenon through

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consciousness and sometimes you know i

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think through different psychedelics or

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even you know approaches with uh

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auditory stimulation you have like

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binaural and hemisync audio and

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different things that can

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i think it's just different approaches

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for different people and what they're

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attuned to and some people are more of a

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shamanistic approach and might use

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different herbs or medicines to

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try and approach it that way and other

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people go

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out into nature and connect with

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environments and have different

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approaches and so i think to to each

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their own there's uh validity to it

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as long as it's done the proper way yeah

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for sure thank you i needed on you to

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get

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none other than your co-conspirator in

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this event

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miss stephanie steffadelic

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hey what's up carl um

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you know it is serendipitous that the

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the disclosure symposium came across you

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to orchestrate all of these interviews

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with people

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then you do you know all of this you

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know research on your own and it all

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just so happened to come together and i

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just really do believe that you are have

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been placed in this position to be

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almost the facilitator and um not only

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that but when you you know discovered

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what you came across in uh just past

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area 50 near area 51 on the same trip to

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magic mesa

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um i just think that that was also

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brought to you for this very reason i i

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think that there was more to you just

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facilitating these you know interviews

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and that you needed to deliver more

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information so um

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kind of bouncing off of what kevin had

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mentioned

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using these

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different items such as say like the

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auditory stimulation

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i know that you're really great friends

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with michelle miners and she's just a

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beautiful soul and she's contributed so

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much to the uinta basin i know that

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there's potential for something related

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to that uh to come forth this weekend so

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is there anything that you can kind of

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chime in on that for the audience

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yeah i think that uh michelle and i have

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both had kind of experiences where um

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you know she is a

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kind of a liaison to the

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native american the first nations people

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for the state of utah and she works with

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me a lot so that when i go to a lot of

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these sites i'm not you know trouncing

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on culture and traditions or

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approaching things inappropriately so

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she helps me a lot with that and

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especially if i need to negotiate with

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native american tribes and talk with

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them to get access to things she helped

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smooth that as well quite a bit but we

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have the same a lot of same similar

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background experiences that we connected

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on so when we became friends and i

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started to you know trust her and tell

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her some of my experiences she had a lot

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of the same so she's seen a lot of the

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same things and

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her view of the

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petroglyphs and the ancient history

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revolving around them and its connection

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with the ufo phenomenon and other

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paranormal aspects of it she kind of has

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the same experience and viewpoint and is

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trying to bridge that gap

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between the ancient native american

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cultures and their teachings and beliefs

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and the modern approach and also right

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in the middle of it the scientific

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approach and the equipment and

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everything uh required to

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try and merge all these aspects together

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and so somehow in the middle of all that

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here i am like just like a youtuber and

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able to be friends with everybody and

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somehow have like an act to be able to

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take all these complicated concepts from

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the ancient esoteric secrets from the

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past and the philosophies and the

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science and the and all of that and then

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kind of the

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the fun woo-woo stuff in the middle that

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everybody likes as well and be able to

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mix that all together and communicate it

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in a way to people that they can

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understand and

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and

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um realize that it is all connected

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because on the surface people like to

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just look at ufos as being spaceships

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from an outer space from another planet

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and then you know paranormals how

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paranormal stuff has to do with ghosts

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and demons in their religion and they're

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completely different categories or

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something and and people i think have a

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hard time

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bridging that gap and then having it be

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relatable to their day-to-day life and

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reality and how to approach it and i'm

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really trying to do that and somehow

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this symposium and everybody involved in

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it

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in the effort instead of

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like territorial and trying to keep it

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all in one box or the other and i like

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that so i think it's all coming together

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naturally like it's supposed to 100

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connecting all of the dots yep perfectly

552
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described thank you yeah you bet

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carl you spoke about investigative tools

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um could do is your beard one of those

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tools that you use that aids

556
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:31,039
in these

557
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,240
investigation is it pivotal or it is

558
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,400
absolutely possible because the times

559
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,080
when i'm out there alone it's so much

560
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:40,080
easier with my beard to have like a cute

561
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:41,840
girl right there with me and they just

562
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:46,870
all right let me get a better question

563
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:49,039
when i look like a christmas ham

564
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,039
i'm way more cold and alone out there

565
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,280
and i can't it just doesn't work the

566
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,120
skinwalkers don't even want to talk to

567
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,400
me it's embarrassing they don't even

568
00:21:02,870 --> 00:20:58,640
want to haunt you everything's swiping

569
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,880
left even the paranormal stuff

570
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,400
i feel like that was classified

571
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,480
information until now you just uncovered

572
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,159
that dj

573
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,559
oh my god deb's just let me know that we

574
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,880
passed over so all right i'm the

575
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,400
question that i had for you is going to

576
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,919
hold because

577
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,760
right now i'm in the penalty box uh

578
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:19,919
right now deb has put me in the penalty

579
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,159
box i'm there with like the goon from

580
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,559
the third line on this hockey squad so

581
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,960
debs please go right ahead my apologies

582
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,039
no it's okay i think it's okay because

583
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,440
i'm so excited that i will be getting to

584
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,080
talk to you all on my own for like a

585
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,320
whole hour and a half in the future and

586
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,159
i'm trying to refrain from asking all

587
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:40,240
the millions of questions that i want to

588
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:41,360
ask

589
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,120
experiencer based question because um

590
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,039
you mentioned young and

591
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,440
do you feel like there's a possibility

592
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,840
that collective consciousness

593
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,080
does sort of play a role and why it is

594
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,320
so many experiences have similar

595
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,280
experiences including through meditation

596
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:03,440
and trance

597
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,320
yeah

598
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,400
wow that's a really deep and profound

599
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,720
question for me to answer because

600
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,480
perfect for the support you want me to

601
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,840
you want me to throw it out there i'll

602
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,919
go for it let's go down you want to go

603
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,400
down the carl young rabbit hole here

604
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,720
i really feel like my personal

605
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,520
relationship with reality is a lot like

606
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,919
um the best way to describe it is sort

607
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,440
of like a dream

608
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,760
where when you go to sleep at night

609
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,720
you realize that everything in the dream

610
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,280
whether you see another person a car a

611
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,880
house or a scene

612
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,280
is really made of an extension of your

613
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:39,760
own subconscious like projected outside

614
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,320
yourself as a realm or a reality that

615
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,080
you're kind of walking around and

616
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,840
interacting in and you don't even

617
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:47,919
realize that it is you that you're kind

618
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:48,640
of

619
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,280
roaming around in within the dreamscape

620
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,440
and in our day-to-day life when we're

621
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,679
awake and going around i feel like it's

622
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,440
kind of the same thing

623
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,760
but the rules are just slightly more

624
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,000
physical or slowed down and deliberate

625
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,400
and it involves more of a collective

626
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,000
because we're in a physical reality

627
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,240
instead of a non-physical psychic

628
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,080
reality like we are in sort of a

629
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,480
dreamscape so i think when we're awake

630
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,480
we're sharing sort of a

631
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,720
collective consciousness that sort of

632
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,440
procedurally generates itself

633
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,559
and it autonomously does that with our

634
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,200
own subconscious and we find ourselves

635
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,600
kind of as an individual within that

636
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,600
sharing the space and so i i do agree

637
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,840
with that i feel like our emotions our

638
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,919
thoughts our intentions and

639
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:35,840
attitudes and everything are actually

640
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,400
shaping our physical reality ahead of

641
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,520
ourselves

642
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,440
like placing the train tracks ahead of

643
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,159
the train as we go just outside of our

644
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,679
field of vision beyond our our site

645
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,080
and uh reality unfolds ahead of us

646
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,240
according to that so as our collective

647
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,080
consciousness awakens to that

648
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,000
realization that we're all sharing this

649
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,120
reality of awareness together that we

650
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,520
uplift that perspective and vibration of

651
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,919
awareness and we have a more unified

652
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,480
sense of how we all belong together and

653
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:09,440
we share this reality and this uh this

654
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,559
uh

655
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:12,960
what this is being awake and alive and

656
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,679
sharing uh consciousness and reality and

657
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,440
and what this is together

658
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,679
i think is all a unified thing and if we

659
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,120
realize that we're

660
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,760
co-creators in that together then we

661
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,440
realize that we're all part of it and we

662
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,600
can uplift that and quit

663
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:29,200
creating such a division because i think

664
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,880
the universe just wants

665
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,559
that centered balance

666
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,520
and we

667
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,200
tend to push against that with our own

668
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,080
agendas so the more we center in that

669
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,640
reality unfolds to us and we begin to

670
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,880
find our true purpose in place and

671
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,799
everything improves so i know that's

672
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:46,559
kind of a big answer to that question

673
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,600
but i guess yes i think we do share

674
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,000
like a collective reality that we all

675
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,960
contribute to and participate in

676
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,360
kind of like a antenna is on a radio

677
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,200
sharing an ocean of signals we all

678
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,679
contribute to and and receive together

679
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,240
and it's all about the harmony

680
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,080
wow deb has a follow-up but you're

681
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,000
quickly becoming one of my favorite

682
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,080
guests ever

683
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,440
yeah i was just going to say so it's

684
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:13,679
sort of like we're all a cosmic family

685
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:15,770
right yeah great everybody

686
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,120
[Laughter]

687
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,039
oh my god this is one of the most

688
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,360
lovable human beings

689
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,640
is that it deb do you have something

690
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,760
else

691
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,080
actually it was recently looking at the

692
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,520
idea of how science fiction and science

693
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,559
fact

694
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,960
push each other and inspire each other

695
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,279
recently when you made the comment about

696
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,120
the train tracks i think that's a

697
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,679
perfect example you know we all come up

698
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,520
with this idea and then someone goes oh

699
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:45,919
that's a great idea and then it becomes

700
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:48,880
reality so i think that's a really like

701
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,520
a concrete way of seeing that happen

702
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,720
yeah

703
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,640
go uh go ahead no i was going to say my

704
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,960
follow-up to deb's question which i'm

705
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,320
not going to ask you now because i got

706
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,480
to get to the symposium but maybe when

707
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:02,480
you do go on the data dojo we talk about

708
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,440
this but

709
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,159
then it begs the question is can your

710
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,120
dream in real time influence someone

711
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:12,000
else dreaming that's but i i don't i i

712
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,760
know you can that that you could

713
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,840
probably go off on that but i

714
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,080
you know i have got to get to the the

715
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,919
symposium is steph's going to fire me

716
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,919
like tomorrow

717
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,000
quick answer your quick answer

718
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,919
yeah the work of michael persinger

719
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,400
michael persinger at the stanford recent

720
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,640
research institute showed he developed a

721
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,320
system where they could put a headset on

722
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,159
electromagnetic headset

723
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,159
and have one person in one side of the

724
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,760
building actually do

725
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,840
like a remote viewing or project their

726
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:41,840
consciousness out of body and another

727
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,880
person could project into their body and

728
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,039
actually see what they were seeing like

729
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,039
read things off a page and and they

730
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,600
could like swap consciousness into other

731
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,960
bodies and different things doing

732
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,520
meditation and remote view and and all

733
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,000
kinds of crazy stuff so the idea of like

734
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,640
transferring into dreams and even into

735
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,559
the past or like peering into the near

736
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,320
future is all something that's kind of

737
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,480
been documented and hidden from people

738
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,000
that i think is part of our human

739
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,400
potential that just is untapped or kept

740
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,559
a secret i love i think so i think so

741
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:14,799
yeah i love it debs can i co-host on the

742
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,679
carl

743
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,080
of the crosstalk episode please can you

744
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,520
book me a seat i might let ya

745
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,480
okay

746
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,799
i'll be there that you can count on even

747
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,480
if i have my other hip replaced all

748
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,399
right so

749
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,919
i love the answer the whole thing with

750
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,600
the beard nathan's like digging it he's

751
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,360
like cool now if i go out and look at

752
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,120
sites this is going to help i mean it's

753
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,640
going to be a

754
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,360
value added uh but here's my question to

755
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,200
you regarding the symposium so steph

756
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:44,640
doesn't fire me um from a 30 000 foot

757
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,559
view if you are a ufo twitter meathead

758
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:50,480
actually that that pretty much describes

759
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,200
me

760
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:54,880
explain why it's important to attend an

761
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,520
event like this either

762
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,679
in person or virtually please

763
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,840
oh that's a great question honestly it's

764
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,000
because for the first time ever we have

765
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,640
four pieces of new ufo footage that are

766
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,120
going to be revealed and released that

767
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:10,559
are along

768
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,679
uh lines with the uh credentials of the

769
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,520
other stuff that you've seen they're

770
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:17,760
military grade flare footage there's

771
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,720
like over 20 minutes worth of it but the

772
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,720
perspective of angles of the people that

773
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:24,480
are coming the keynote speakers to the

774
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,679
symposium are coming at at it from such

775
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,679
different angles you have

776
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,240
everybody from avi loeb a harvard

777
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,679
professor who

778
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,919
you know came onto the scene with his

779
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,240
analysis of the umuamua

780
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,559
that interstellar object that came in

781
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,080
through our solar system and seemed to

782
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,559
make a u-turn around our planet you know

783
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,880
and from his perspective all the way to

784
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,640
like paul heineck is the son of jay

785
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,279
allen heineck uh head of project blue

786
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,600
book and then michelle miners like we

787
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,279
talked about she's the you know

788
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,960
connected with the native american

789
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,200
aspect we have a whole spectrum of

790
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:01,440
professionals and colleagues researchers

791
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,720
and scientists

792
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,960
that are coming to not only reveal

793
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,880
this footage but there's been a high

794
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,960
level of analysis done on it to kind of

795
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,960
take it to the next level which is what

796
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:12,720
like steven leah does

797
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,960
he's a com a video uh analyst who does a

798
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,559
lot of that i'm not even sure how much

799
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:20,080
of that i'm allowed to talk about what

800
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:21,279
he does but

801
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,640
um yeah

802
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,440
yeah for real but uh the level of it

803
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,520
that is coming to the table is really

804
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,360
amazing because for the first time it's

805
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,760
not just like we talked about just about

806
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,159
ufos from outer space in the sky but

807
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,399
it's kind of bridging that gap to where

808
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,240
we're able to talk about it from

809
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,679
everybody's different perspective

810
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,600
because we have people there from travis

811
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,159
taylors from skinwalker ranch

812
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,720
uh dwayne allenger and charles schneider

813
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,880
they're from blind frog ranch and their

814
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,360
research is involved a lot with you know

815
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,440
shadow figures and plasma shapes on the

816
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:55,760
ground and on the on the side of the

817
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,120
mesa and also ufos in the sky so it's

818
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,640
kind of bridging that uh gap of fields

819
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,039
of expertise and bringing it bringing

820
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,120
all onto the table in a collaborative

821
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,880
effort so no matter which approach you

822
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,440
have to the topic everybody can come and

823
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,600
have something to discuss and respect

824
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,000
each other and finally uh talk about it

825
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,399
all together instead of having it be

826
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,880
different slices of the same pie

827
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,159
pretending that they're all different

828
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,679
categories

829
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,440
and you know i'd like to add to your

830
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,760
point before i turn it over to monet

831
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,200
nathan um

832
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:31,200
when when when the the government you

833
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,919
know

834
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,279
we're talking about a congressional

835
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,279
hearing that just happened all of their

836
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,880
staffers i think i explained this with

837
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,640
steph and i spoke about this they're

838
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,159
looking at metrics

839
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,120
so when you're having a two ufo

840
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,840
conferences maybe in a weekend and and

841
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,159
they're looking at how many tweets daily

842
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,559
you're on twitter how many interactions

843
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,720
have any impressions that's when they're

844
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,000
deciding because they're going to say to

845
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:56,080
the boss hey you know what this this is

846
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,679
trending right now

847
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,200
i think it would be expedient

848
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,919
politically speaking for for for us to

849
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,080
to get on board with this issue at least

850
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,039
tacitly or otherwise and and so i think

851
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,720
this is a huge metric uh what you guys

852
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,559
are doing and they will be tracking the

853
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,200
results of that and that adds to the

854
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,399
pressure that it applies on uh

855
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,000
government officials to speak about this

856
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,919
so with that let me turn over nathan

857
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,039
please

858
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,720
uh carl we uh we've kind of talked a

859
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,559
little bit about legacy in a way you

860
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,840
know some we talked about the beginning

861
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,080
of the show the sort of ancient history

862
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,640
and you know here we are today uh trying

863
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,120
to reclaim some of that and you know for

864
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,880
me at least the symposium it does

865
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,080
represent

866
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,159
in some some fashion

867
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,080
this legacy of those that have come

868
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,840
before you know you talked about paul

869
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:45,840
heineck and his father and the work that

870
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,159
he did with project blue book

871
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,080
it's just one example

872
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,120
that we are kind of coalescing

873
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,760
around this topic in a way that hasn't

874
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,080
necessarily happened at the scale that

875
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,519
it's starting to happen at least in the

876
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,360
public space you talked a little bit

877
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,600
about as well sort of this uh you know

878
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,720
shared reality and how our our intention

879
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,799
and our even our vocabulary the way that

880
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,720
wit that we sort of

881
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,279
share language and and thinking about

882
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,880
the world in which we inhabit that

883
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,519
influences the world and so with with

884
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,840
that kind of context and thinking

885
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,200
you know what are some big things that

886
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,880
you're hoping that will come out of this

887
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:25,200
collaboration over the weekend

888
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,080
um

889
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,559
yeah i think it really is just uh what

890
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,519
i'm hoping for is that everybody just

891
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,600
opens their mind and their eyes a little

892
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,440
bit at a deeper level i'm hoping that

893
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,200
you know everybody collectively

894
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,799
gathering together at the symposium

895
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,720
maybe creates something phenomenal to

896
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,880
occur that's a little bit what steph was

897
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,120
hinting at as well is that michelle and

898
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,039
i and other people have an intention set

899
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,960
that hopefully over the symposium that

900
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,600
maybe a ufo will show up and everybody

901
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,200
there will see it or we'll have some

902
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:55,120
kind of a shared experience or everybody

903
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,559
will come back the next morning and be

904
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,880
like wow we all had the same dream last

905
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,200
night what's going on here or some kind

906
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,440
of a phenomenal experience that we all

907
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,679
have to explain would be really cool if

908
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,960
that could happen

909
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,880
but i do think that

910
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,880
when you get different aspects of the

911
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,720
research in the community that are

912
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:14,960
usually prone to bickering and arguing

913
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,600
together on the same focal point to

914
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,000
actually discuss it in a collaborative

915
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,399
effort it does change the tone everybody

916
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:23,600
can see

917
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,039
that example how people from blind frog

918
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,360
ranch and skinwalker ranch working from

919
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,960
completely different networks from

920
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,880
discovery channel to history channel

921
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,799
still can get together and be friends

922
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,960
and focus on the bigger issue in the

923
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,600
topic at hand which is like helping

924
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,440
shift the dialogue and the topic of

925
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,600
conversation because right now

926
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:44,960
basically a lot of people have

927
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,679
impressions out of hollywood and out of

928
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,600
uh what they've grown up watching in

929
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,360
movies and television when it comes to

930
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,480
this topic

931
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:54,480
and that's part of the problem and so i

932
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,279
think

933
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,279
having this symposium

934
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,799
uh has

935
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,640
opened up the door to where

936
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:02,799
everybody from people like me who's just

937
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,080
a an amateur researcher who goes out and

938
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,000
hikes around and does it on their own

939
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,919
and has a very personal relationship

940
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,639
with it to someone like avi loeb a

941
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,480
harvard professor and we're going to be

942
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,040
sitting at the same table with mutual

943
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:18,960
shared respect having the same

944
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,599
conversation and that's huge those types

945
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,919
of walls have never been dropped before

946
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,359
there's always been

947
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,359
this barrier between the people in the

948
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:28,960
suits and ties that are writing the

949
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,480
scientific papers and the people at home

950
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,720
dealing with the phenomenon in their own

951
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,040
basement or whatever or when they go to

952
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,200
bed every night and so having everybody

953
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:40,879
finally coming together and discussing

954
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:44,159
it on equal terms uh that's the feeling

955
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,520
that i think is coming from the

956
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,520
symposium that's going to come out of it

957
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,879
that hopefully

958
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,440
changes the atmosphere is uh the

959
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,359
collaborative effort from multiple

960
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,679
different aspects of research it just

961
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,119
has to happen because everybody

962
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,839
disagreeing is not helping

963
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,880
awesome

964
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,599
yeah yeah um kevin uh i think kevin has

965
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,320
a a surprise for you kev

966
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,760
i do you know you're speaking of

967
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,920
collaborations you know i

968
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,200
here's the thing i've talked to a lot of

969
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,640
people i talked to you know brandon

970
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,359
bugle i talked to on tj allard and they

971
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,760
rejected my idea so i wanted to know

972
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:20,079
maybe if you could bring this idea to

973
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,359
the symposium because there's going to

974
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,119
be a lot of people there and a lot of

975
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,599
people need food and so i came up with

976
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,160
this idea all right so if

977
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:31,040
if nathan can cue it up

978
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:32,000
so

979
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,640
blind frog ranch dressing yeah as a

980
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:39,040
condiment you know for for all these

981
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,400
people there there's gonna be a lot of

982
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:41,680
french fries

983
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,430
i think it's awesome it already has the

984
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,680
name in there it already flows the right

985
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,200
logo you've already got it made the

986
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,520
labels i got it all made and this is

987
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,200
what it all looks like for me even

988
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:57,040
functionally it's got your name on there

989
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,480
and your face

990
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,320
carl's own

991
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,720
blind frog ranch dressing i've got

992
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,240
another flavor for you too i don't like

993
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,720
recycling so i kind of kind of went with

994
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:08,400
a different one so this is

995
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,109
yeah right at a three-mile island baby

996
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,589
that's when you've dug too deep right

997
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,200
right too deep

998
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,280
right so yeah we'll have a booth we'll

999
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:24,960
serve the ranch to everyone that's my

1000
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,440
plan with your name on it great

1001
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,960
i can't believe that nobody else liked

1002
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:31,520
that idea i'm all for startup ideas like

1003
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:34,480
that kevin was gonna just license it to

1004
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,599
you know uh to tj allen and company and

1005
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,359
they didn't even bite on it skinwalker

1006
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,680
ranch okay fine you know you could could

1007
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,960
have made you millions of dollars

1008
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,880
whatever there are rolls right off the

1009
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,400
tongue i don't know how nobody's ever

1010
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,760
thought of it before kevin i think

1011
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,680
that's brilliant brandon he's hoping

1012
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,680
that kevin you know like passes away and

1013
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,760
then he won't have any any rights to it

1014
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,960
that's what he said

1015
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:56,560
so anyway

1016
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,240
he's waiting you out kev anyway

1017
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:02,480
debs has something uh has an audience uh

1018
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,040
duty for you okay so any um questions in

1019
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:10,160
the audience someone asked

1020
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,040
about

1021
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:12,640
they sai

1022
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,240
let's see

1023
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,160
paul heineck is an ambassador for the

1024
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,960
uap society i don't know i'm not

1025
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,680
familiar with that acronym maybe if i

1026
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:27,839
knew exactly what that was i know

1027
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,480
uh paul heineck he helped me

1028
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,079
all i can do is talk about him

1029
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,839
personally my relationship with him has

1030
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,400
just been a great great individual he

1031
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,640
helped contact the night vision company

1032
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,640
for me to help me put my presentation

1033
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,440
together for this saturday helped me

1034
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,440
look up a lot of the

1035
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,280
astronomical alignments that were going

1036
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,960
on that night

1037
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:51,280
oh yeah decentralized science okay yeah

1038
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,720
i don't know why that didn't occur to me

1039
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,079
decentralized science yeah that's

1040
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,480
basically the the emphasis in the heart

1041
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:58,640
of like the symposium this idea that

1042
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:59,359
like

1043
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:00,320
um

1044
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:01,280
having

1045
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:04,960
scientific research not be just part of

1046
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,000
what's done behind certain institutions

1047
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,560
walls and protocols

1048
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,000
it's the same thing that you know jim

1049
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,160
sagala and michelle miners are doing

1050
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,839
with their muppets project they're

1051
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,079
putting scientific equipment out into

1052
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,320
the community with actual experiencers

1053
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,720
so people who are like i'm having

1054
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,880
these out-of-body experiences where i

1055
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,480
think i might be abducted or i keep

1056
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,280
seeing ufos when i i wake up at night

1057
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,880
and i go outside i'm seeing these lights

1058
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,040
in the sky they can actually put

1059
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,000
scientific equipment that's wearable or

1060
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,599
they can put that in their living room

1061
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:39,280
or in their bedroom or out even in their

1062
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,720
backyard and they can go back then after

1063
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,800
these people report encounters or

1064
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,200
paranormal incidents and they can look

1065
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,200
at the scientific data and say wow

1066
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,240
there's actually like a spike at this

1067
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,960
level of gigahertz and this frequency of

1068
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,440
gamma radiation just went off the charts

1069
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,200
and they can even track where it moves

1070
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,040
across the valley with other people they

1071
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:03,040
have the sensors placed with and

1072
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,920
everything and so the idea of

1073
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,960
decentralizing the research and the

1074
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,000
science

1075
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:10,320
is part of what helps people like me

1076
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,119
feel

1077
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,440
less crazy when you experience things

1078
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,560
and it also makes it more realistic for

1079
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,560
people at high levels at scientific

1080
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,880
institutions or even a government level

1081
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,720
to feel like they can share it without

1082
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:25,680
ridicule and so it's kind of meeting on

1083
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,240
both ends where i feel like

1084
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,240
the high level people and the grassroots

1085
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,560
level are finally allowed to talk so

1086
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,560
decentralized science i think is part of

1087
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,800
that plan is just like realizing that

1088
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,720
we live in an era today where the

1089
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,640
everyday person even in their own home

1090
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,960
and garage is doing a pretty significant

1091
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,280
amount of work and can do that with the

1092
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,200
internet and so it should be

1093
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,040
respected and so i think that's starting

1094
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,359
to happen yeah

1095
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,200
deb was so cool she's like

1096
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:56,079
um to make sure we didn't pass the baton

1097
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,950
that's not why i know that was there was

1098
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,200
literally okay so eating you

1099
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:06,400
i was

1100
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,960
because the symposium is bringing so

1101
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,800
many different people together and one

1102
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,800
of the things that i caught was that

1103
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,800
chris lato was talking about his

1104
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,640
experiment that's going to be happening

1105
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,839
and i was just wondering if you could

1106
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,480
just briefly summarize for people

1107
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:23,599
that

1108
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:29,440
everyone will be able to witness on

1109
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,560
friday

1110
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,400
yeah it's going to be awesome so chris

1111
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,280
lito he's a former f-16 fighter pilot

1112
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,160
and now he's has a whole nft project to

1113
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,839
help fund and support a lot of the

1114
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,920
research that they're doing and they've

1115
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,000
partnered up with uh jim and and

1116
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:45,839
michelle and they're launching

1117
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,720
uh not only the launching nft art up

1118
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,599
into space for fun with this uh

1119
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,040
out of orbit balloon that they're

1120
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,119
launching from up at blind frog ranch

1121
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,359
but they're also putting one of those

1122
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,280
muppa scientific equipment things in

1123
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,359
there so we're gonna see if above the

1124
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,520
uenta basin just like they're trying to

1125
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,680
test around in the basin elsewhere to

1126
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,760
see if there's some sort of a signal or

1127
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,680
weird stuff up in the sky at a certain

1128
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,720
elevation

1129
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,720
we're going to be launching a balloon up

1130
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,200
this friday with sensor equipment on it

1131
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,920
and transmitting the data back to

1132
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,520
computers on earth that are going to be

1133
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,920
tracking it and similar type of research

1134
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,000
is going on that javi loeb's doing with

1135
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,319
his galileo project and

1136
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:28,079
a lot of other people and i'm kicking

1137
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,280
off my

1138
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,920
magic mesa research project and working

1139
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,599
on all that so there's going to be a lot

1140
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,520
of different aspects coming to the

1141
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,319
symposium it's going to be exciting

1142
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,640
chris chris lato is quite an interesting

1143
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,560
character um

1144
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,560
uh obviously he's a colleague of mine

1145
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,319
from the air force from that standpoint

1146
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,560
but son of uh

1147
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,319
basically his parents were hippies lived

1148
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,440
in a commune um took a real interest in

1149
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,520
school in stem you know in science and

1150
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,599
math figured out he was really good at

1151
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,760
it went to the air force academy got a

1152
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,880
com you know

1153
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,960
a commission uh actually um

1154
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:04,640
you have to uh get a government

1155
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,000
gubernatorial or a senatorial uh letter

1156
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,079
basically to even be considered to get

1157
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:12,319
in the academy uh then uh in a

1158
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:16,319
competitive situation flew f-16s uh and

1159
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,040
uh

1160
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,839
you know amassed a couple thousand hours

1161
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,839
then he retires and moves to portugal

1162
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,200
because he didn't like the scene what

1163
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,280
was going on here in the u.s a very

1164
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,040
politically and divisive and charged

1165
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,880
environment so i'm gonna take my kids to

1166
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,040
portugal and the surf and be in a little

1167
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,599
more relaxed area then his kids

1168
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:35,680
challenge him to start a youtube channel

1169
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,560
next thing you know um with him starting

1170
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,200
a youtube channel he's got 16 000

1171
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:43,280
subscribers or whatever the hell it is

1172
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:44,560
and he's

1173
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:47,599
um not only debunked the debunkers who

1174
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,720
were trying to debunk

1175
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,000
very very verified navy accounts of

1176
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,480
encounters and he was able to you know

1177
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,480
basically chaff those guys out of you

1178
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,319
know out of relevancy

1179
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,359
but then uh he's exploring all the

1180
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,599
aspects of consciousness now as you said

1181
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,280
getting into nfts and saying you know

1182
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:09,760
what i gotta launch my own science

1183
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,640
project funded by nfts something that a

1184
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,160
lot of people my age don't even know

1185
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,160
about well i'm gonna learn about it you

1186
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,680
know this very nathan like in the way

1187
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,440
that he did that i want to know about it

1188
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,560
i'm gonna learn about it i'm gonna

1189
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,640
become an expert in it and

1190
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,640
the guy is amazing i mean like he he

1191
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,520
really doesn't see boundaries of of what

1192
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,680
he can what he can do

1193
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,760
when he believes in something uh and

1194
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,839
he's such a multi-faceted cat and with

1195
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:36,000
that let me turn over to uh miss

1196
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,349
yeah i'm excited for that balloon launch

1197
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:43,760
it's going to be pretty um

1198
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,960
monumental really so um but i wanted to

1199
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,560
also shed some light on one of the

1200
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,520
co-founders bob brown you know if it

1201
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,520
weren't for people such as him

1202
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,839
these types of events

1203
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,920
these would be taking that much longer

1204
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,680
to come forth you know i mean they've

1205
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,280
been gathering researchers and

1206
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,280
scientists and just people who are

1207
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,440
trying to collect this data and it just

1208
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,000
so happens that all of this information

1209
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,720
is coming out now so i mean the timing

1210
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,720
of it it's it's pretty interesting that

1211
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,880
it's all kind of happening now

1212
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,680
um

1213
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,640
and uh you know they there are some

1214
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,240
some people in the background that

1215
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,839
haven't really had their name out there

1216
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,680
that you know they need to be recognized

1217
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,119
as well because yeah he he's the

1218
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,920
co-founder of ufo megacon so if it

1219
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,000
weren't for bob brown then you know we

1220
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,480
wouldn't be doing this so thanks to them

1221
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,040
um you know blind frog ranch is also

1222
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,400
another one of the sponsors so you know

1223
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,920
it's right down the road there i know

1224
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,240
people are aware of that so

1225
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:44,240
we have a lot of people backing this and

1226
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:45,119
that's

1227
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,200
promising for the future of this because

1228
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,119
eventually one day we're all going to

1229
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,280
pass the torch on to the next generation

1230
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,560
so it's just such a cool time to be

1231
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,880
sharing all of this this data that that

1232
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,680
we've collected and you know it's

1233
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,200
it's just awesome so anyway i just

1234
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,520
wanted to say hi to bob and just say

1235
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,000
thanks you guys for for producing this

1236
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,319
event it's it's going to be awesome

1237
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,319
yeah there's a there's something that a

1238
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,760
lot of people don't know they just see

1239
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,680
the surface level marketing like hey

1240
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,359
there's a convention going on you know

1241
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,960
they don't realize

1242
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,319
the line of

1243
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,240
synchronicity and the effort and the

1244
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,319
teams of people and how this used to be

1245
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,800
you know ufo megacon and how it

1246
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,880
the collaborative effort between that

1247
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,800
group and blind frog ranch pulling it

1248
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,440
together working with the whole uenta

1249
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,960
basin and

1250
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:36,800
and there's so much going on behind the

1251
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,160
scenes and even at a personal level you

1252
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,480
know the the amount of like what i would

1253
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,040
consider miracles and crazy things that

1254
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,599
have occurred that have lined this event

1255
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:50,480
up to happen uh what i hope that comes

1256
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,680
out of it is

1257
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,000
more events like this that another one

1258
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,000
happens a year later and it's twice as

1259
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,839
big and it becomes an avenue or a

1260
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,680
pipeline for people in positions that

1261
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,680
are sitting on footage or sitting on

1262
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,280
evidence that they need to get out and

1263
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:07,920
have no way to do it to provide a safe

1264
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,119
place with people from all walks of life

1265
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,240
that can come and present it and have it

1266
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,560
have it revealed and released and and do

1267
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,800
it in a place where it's in a location

1268
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,720
up in vernal where it's known for that

1269
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:22,720
and has that reputation it's perfect

1270
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,960
that's perfect i agree yeah and i i um

1271
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,800
nathan that's a great point that you

1272
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,160
made steph nathan and i have talked

1273
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:32,400
about this at length you know everything

1274
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:36,160
on the earth ages and withers and dies

1275
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,040
you know

1276
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:38,960
everything wears away

1277
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,400
and so too is our presence here

1278
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,960
as content creators as

1279
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:46,800
ufo twitter people

1280
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,839
we will eventually not be doing this and

1281
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,680
other newer more interesting and more

1282
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,079
cool and more funny people will be will

1283
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,839
be doing this so that i think i don't

1284
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:58,160
know if a lot of people see that uh and

1285
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,839
that's an important point that you made

1286
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,520
their stuff we have a limited amount of

1287
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,359
time that we're going to be doing this

1288
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,720
even though people think i'm going to be

1289
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,560
popular forever and people are going to

1290
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,800
be liking my tweets 20 years from now

1291
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,400
you know probably not

1292
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:12,960
um but so you know take the time you

1293
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,440
have and expand the discussion and the

1294
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,280
conversation that you can

1295
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:20,160
uh as you can um i love it i'm going to

1296
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:22,839
be tuning in virtually this weekend

1297
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,839
myself and and i also

1298
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,280
i have a question i want to ask i want

1299
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,720
to pose this to

1300
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,200
uh carl get get back to his research a

1301
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,680
little bit and to nathan as well uh to

1302
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,920
weigh in on this one uh actually i do

1303
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,200
the whole panel but i know everybody

1304
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,240
else has questions i want to ask so um

1305
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,119
when you know people will interact with

1306
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:46,000
and and talk to their plants uh i do

1307
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:47,040
um

1308
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:47,839
you know

1309
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,720
my garden friends outside and

1310
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,480
you kind of spoke about it and i'd like

1311
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,160
to get your take on nathan's take on

1312
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,880
this when you get into a space and

1313
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,280
you're taking stock of that space you're

1314
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,720
getting comfortable

1315
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,079
and and

1316
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:03,599
what is the importance of your

1317
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,800
communication at that point with the

1318
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,559
space in in your

1319
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,680
mind

1320
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,160
oh it's everything for me um

1321
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,160
yeah that's a great question i think

1322
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,800
that you know when we're born and we're

1323
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,880
young children

1324
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,720
when we're really susceptible and we're

1325
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,440
trying to learn and it's it's for good

1326
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,200
intentions but like our parents and

1327
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,680
teachers you know they fill our heads

1328
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,240
full of language and words and labels

1329
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:32,240
for everything around us you know you

1330
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:33,119
learn

1331
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,559
triangle square

1332
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,280
dog cat labels names for everything and

1333
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,200
what ends up happening is this default

1334
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,960
mode in our brains

1335
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,440
where from the second that we wake up

1336
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,520
this dialogue starts in the language

1337
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,280
that we were taught in our mind when we

1338
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,839
were born and we identify that with who

1339
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,440
we are

1340
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,119
that conversation that we have with

1341
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,880
ourselves the second that we wake up

1342
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,319
dominates our

1343
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,599
our entire day usually so i try through

1344
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,920
meditation and mindfulness even day to

1345
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,400
day when i'm going about my business

1346
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,800
try to step back behind that and become

1347
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,800
more of like the witness of those

1348
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,359
thoughts and let let that dialogue like

1349
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,920
go quiet and i just observe things more

1350
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,880
like

1351
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,119
a primitive person might or somebody

1352
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,680
like a like a cat would you know sit and

1353
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,240
look at a mouse hole waiting for a mouse

1354
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,160
to come out and so i think that sort of

1355
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,400
like stepping beyond the

1356
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,720
the normal cultural

1357
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,599
sense of self in that default mode way

1358
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,520
of thinking and perceiving reality is a

1359
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,839
big part of my way of approaching all of

1360
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,599
this is like

1361
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,520
connecting at that deeper level that

1362
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,760
deeper rooted

1363
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,000
sensitive level of intuition and

1364
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:45,760
connection with the environment that

1365
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,160
goes beyond just that conversation in my

1366
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,800
head and sometimes that crosses into

1367
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,720
dreams or what you would consider like a

1368
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,680
visionary experience or out of body type

1369
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,400
experience or remote viewing or just a

1370
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,720
deep beautiful relaxing moment of

1371
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,280
presence and awareness where i'm sitting

1372
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,119
and so it just depends on what my

1373
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,040
intention is and where i'm at but

1374
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,599
definitely trying to open up and connect

1375
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,200
i think when your thoughts are just

1376
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,680
racing constantly in the in your mind in

1377
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,079
the language you're incapable of

1378
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,559
actually hearing or communicating with

1379
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,079
something that doesn't necessarily

1380
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,200
follow rules right have an alphabet

1381
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,480
something more of a naturally based

1382
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,119
thing or maybe even an advanced entity

1383
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,440
might not think or communicate the same

1384
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,760
way and so it's kind of like realizing

1385
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,839
you're stuck on one radio signal your

1386
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,960
whole life you've been stuck on 101.5

1387
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,280
and that's your dial on the radio

1388
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,119
and then realizing that you can expand

1389
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,200
your awareness to perceive other signals

1390
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,599
and you realize there's a whole ocean

1391
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,920
around you that you can perceive and

1392
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:51,599
interact with and so that's what i try

1393
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,480
to do

1394
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,720
dude there's way too much reo speedwagon

1395
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,119
on that station i'm just kidding

1396
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,520
so nate so nathan you're you're you're

1397
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,240
on an expedition you arrive in one of

1398
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,160
these sacred spaces

1399
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,200
you you see you see something that looks

1400
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,280
like it could be

1401
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,680
like it's historic obviously what what

1402
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,520
you know what happens how would you

1403
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,440
communicate with that

1404
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:18,000
yeah i think uh well you know carl the

1405
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,599
way that he

1406
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,040
unpacked this a little bit from his

1407
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,280
meditation practice is very helpful you

1408
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,960
know the way in which we think it

1409
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,359
literally does transform the way in

1410
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,119
which we are in the world

1411
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,440
and so the things that are happening on

1412
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,520
the screen of our perception

1413
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,440
and the way we've been taught to

1414
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,800
delineate

1415
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,160
those things

1416
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,160
impacts directly the way in which we

1417
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,319
interact with everything around us and

1418
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:43,839
so you know i think if you're

1419
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,720
approaching a

1420
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,960
let's use an example so if you if you

1421
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,040
grew up in a religious tradition for

1422
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,079
example and you enter into a holy place

1423
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,000
that your tradition has venerated you

1424
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,720
know you're going to approach that space

1425
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,720
from the vantage and the perspective of

1426
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,880
all of that tradition that comes behind

1427
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,400
it that you have been taught and

1428
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,720
inherited so you're going to have a kind

1429
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:09,280
of reverence for that that space whereas

1430
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,400
someone who doesn't come from that

1431
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,880
tradition it's just a big building it's

1432
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,200
just a structure to them it may not

1433
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,040
really mean anything to them at all so i

1434
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,240
think it's it's an example of how

1435
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,160
that that is an inherited way of

1436
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,240
approaching something but we can be

1437
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,640
intentional about it so carl you know

1438
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,640
talking to the fact that we are really

1439
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,520
kind of

1440
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,160
almost like passengers along this sort

1441
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,319
of train of thought that we're we're

1442
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,200
really not in control we're just kind of

1443
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,359
we're led along from one sequence of

1444
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,200
thoughts to another without really

1445
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:42,800
thinking or planning or whatever we're

1446
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,040
just kind of a victim in a way of of our

1447
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,200
of our thought processes

1448
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,599
by interrupting that flow when we come

1449
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,000
into contact with something that is

1450
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,000
new and novel and as you said it could

1451
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,800
be a historic site uh i think we have to

1452
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:59,200
be more intentional about it we have to

1453
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,720
have to pause

1454
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:01,839
observe

1455
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:05,440
take in try to if you can dissolve

1456
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,559
the separation between you the observer

1457
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:11,040
and what you are observing you know

1458
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,559
because those are really kind of

1459
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:15,200
arbitrary differences just as that there

1460
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,880
are arbitrary differences between the

1461
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,119
separation amongst all of us you know we

1462
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,200
have this sense in which we are you know

1463
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,119
distinct kind of entities going about

1464
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:25,599
our way but we really aren't we are

1465
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,760
interconnected in a very deep meaningful

1466
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,680
ways and for those of us who

1467
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:31,920
believe that consciousness is kind of a

1468
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,040
fundamental quality of the universe uh

1469
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,079
we're connected at a root level

1470
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,240
you know that that transcends these sort

1471
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,400
of language barriers and things of that

1472
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:44,319
nature and carl i'm just kind of

1473
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,760
following your footsteps here because

1474
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,440
you're going exactly where i wanted to

1475
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,559
go

1476
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,559
and that is also that

1477
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,240
when we think about non-human

1478
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,319
intelligence which could encompass a lot

1479
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,800
of things both things that we know about

1480
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,280
on this planet but things that we may

1481
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,839
not know about in our universe

1482
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:02,960
you know

1483
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,920
there is no reason to assume that that

1484
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:08,000
intelligence is going to function and

1485
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,920
behave and think and their entire

1486
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:12,160
thought structure is going to mimic our

1487
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,680
thought structure

1488
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,359
so when we are interacting with

1489
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,960
non-human intelligence and we've talked

1490
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,880
about this recently last week with lou

1491
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,280
elizondo about communication you know we

1492
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,119
come into communication with a lot of

1493
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,079
assumptions right that if i do this

1494
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,920
you're going to do that and what you do

1495
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,240
there that means what i think it means

1496
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,880
the truth is we have no idea and so this

1497
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,040
is a good example of

1498
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,960
putting into practice

1499
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,559
a new mode

1500
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,359
of thinking and of connection

1501
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,680
that is going to be essential for us to

1502
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,839
reach better understanding you know

1503
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,200
we're kind of trying we need to have to

1504
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,160
discard the baggage of the language that

1505
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,319
we've inherited and try to learn and

1506
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:54,960
adopt and put on the clothing of a new

1507
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,760
way of of being and relating yeah i

1508
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,920
would definitely agree with that at a at

1509
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:02,640
a high level i think even a

1510
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:05,680
another way of looking at it we tend to

1511
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,000
think of like a how do we communicate

1512
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,160
with non-humans and

1513
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,559
by default we start to imagine like

1514
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,119
alternate made-up gibberish languages

1515
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,880
again and we try to

1516
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,200
throw our own expectations onto that but

1517
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:21,520
maybe instead of thinking of it instead

1518
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,400
of

1519
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,000
a non-human

1520
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,520
interaction think of it as a

1521
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,839
non-physical interaction and

1522
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,760
communication because then

1523
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:32,640
even if you're communicating with

1524
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:35,520
like some version of yourself 10 000

1525
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,640
years ago

1526
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,040
in ancient egypt through meditation

1527
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,040
you're going to have a non-physical

1528
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,920
interaction through that transcendental

1529
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:46,480
interaction and experience it won't be

1530
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:47,920
with a language or physical

1531
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,480
communication even then even if it is a

1532
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,079
human to human

1533
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,079
telepathic communication we're talking

1534
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:56,079
non-physical so how does that work if

1535
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:57,520
you can't use

1536
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,960
words in a language that you were taught

1537
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,400
and that you think in the thoughts in

1538
00:56:06,990 --> 00:56:05,040
your own mind we have to think about how

1539
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,000
these interactions occur in a

1540
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,319
non-physical aspect with you know we we

1541
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,720
approach reality according to science

1542
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:15,040
and physics and that's a great approach

1543
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,480
but there's this whole

1544
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,359
non-physical reality just outside of of

1545
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,160
that outside of the crust of physics

1546
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,720
that is non-physical that doesn't have

1547
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,040
to follow the rules of physics and so

1548
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,799
when you start to try and

1549
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,880
interface with that the rules sort of

1550
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,839
change you realize that communication

1551
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,680
doesn't have to be

1552
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,640
linear with words it can come through

1553
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,599
as an epiphany or as a realization or as

1554
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,680
almost like a download where you

1555
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,240
suddenly know almost like neo in the

1556
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,960
matrix just like wow i know kung fu you

1557
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,640
can come out of a meditation and feel

1558
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,160
like you've had an experience where

1559
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,880
you've gained like a wealth of suddenly

1560
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,799
of understanding and

1561
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:58,880
knowledge and such so

1562
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,040
as much as it is like

1563
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,920
trying to communicate with non-humans

1564
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,079
it's important to understand and open up

1565
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,720
to just non-physical communication is a

1566
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:09,839
totally

1567
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,839
uh other part of that conversation that

1568
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:14,160
is really important as well because

1569
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,680
it all operates

1570
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,359
similarly but slightly different when

1571
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,599
you understand that yeah

1572
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,400
i'm thinking in terms of

1573
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,480
i'm traveling vicariously through you

1574
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,319
because i haven't done this although you

1575
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:28,160
know you might be the inspiration for me

1576
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:29,520
doing it but

1577
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:30,559
that

1578
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,720
visited and like those petroglyphs where

1579
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,640
you found they're

1580
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:39,119
the people who made those there's an

1581
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,400
imprint there

1582
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,480
not only a physical imprint

1583
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:44,880
but there's also

1584
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,400
their presence is there still

1585
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,040
and the question is if i'm sitting there

1586
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:52,880
and i'm looking at it

1587
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,880
is can i connect to them and communicate

1588
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,640
an intention

1589
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,559
which i is what i think you're doing

1590
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,640
when you go there when you arrive there

1591
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,119
i think that's what you alluded to can i

1592
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,599
communicate an intention

1593
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:09,599
to know

1594
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,359
and to gain understanding without

1595
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,559
disturbing or disrupting in any way

1596
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,440
what they've left and maybe gain some

1597
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:20,960
acceptance there

1598
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,079
so that's that's that's how i

1599
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,839
i view it in my

1600
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,000
very simple

1601
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,400
yeah it's almost like approaching even

1602
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,160
though there's no one there and it feels

1603
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,640
like you're interacting so to speak with

1604
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,880
with ghosts it feels like you're

1605
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,960
approaching a foreign tribe and you're

1606
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,520
trying to gain fellowship and so you try

1607
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:43,359
to approach it with that respect and

1608
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:44,240
that

1609
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,760
may not but

1610
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:50,240
for me that's very important to feel

1611
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:51,280
like i'm

1612
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,400
actually

1613
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,160
getting the truth of the message of the

1614
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,400
area and what they were trying to leave

1615
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,480
behind and what they were trying to say

1616
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,599
so when i

1617
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,440
it's about listening it's not about

1618
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:03,599
asserting my agenda it's about going

1619
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,400
there

1620
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,160
and becoming the environment and really

1621
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:08,160
listening and becoming a part of it and

1622
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:09,200
trying to

1623
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,400
get in touch with that and it does

1624
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,640
you can kind of get a sense of that

1625
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,520
residue still lives on it definitely i

1626
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,760
believe what i've found is what they

1627
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,760
actually point to on that the magic is

1628
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,520
real and that it still lives on to this

1629
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:25,680
day i just think that people don't know

1630
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,400
where to look or how to look you do so

1631
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,400
um we're going to start closing we're

1632
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:32,319
going to start closing it out uh but so

1633
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,839
i think yeah i think debs has something

1634
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,359
so we're going to take it around the

1635
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,359
horn people are going to say their last

1636
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,040
things it'll be a little bit of a a

1637
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:41,680
quick hitter but please uh uh

1638
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,549
cameron are you ready i'll go a frozen

1639
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,960
man i do if we're not closing are we

1640
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,160
closing i mean

1641
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,400
no but we no but go ahead you know go

1642
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,400
ahead okay well one of the things i do i

1643
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,160
like reading quotes now and you brought

1644
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,920
up something about culture so i wanted

1645
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,079
to read a terence mckenna quote and get

1646
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,079
your perspective on it so i'm going to

1647
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,240
read it it's culture it says culture is

1648
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,480
a perversion it fetishizes objects

1649
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:12,720
creates consumer mania it preaches

1650
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,440
endless forms of false happiness endless

1651
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,520
forms of false understanding in the form

1652
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,520
of squirrely religions and silly cults

1653
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:21,200
it invites people to diminish themselves

1654
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,040
and to humanize themselves by behaving

1655
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:25,040
like machines i found that very

1656
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,880
interesting

1657
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:29,119
yeah i agree with it totally i think

1658
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,640
that like we were just talking about a

1659
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,480
little a little bit ago we get in like a

1660
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:34,400
default mode based on our culture and

1661
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,760
our upbringing where

1662
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,240
things like religion or political ideas

1663
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,559
you grow up belonging to a team a

1664
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,559
political party a religious group and a

1665
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,640
whole subset of ideas

1666
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,200
that shapes your user interface all of a

1667
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:50,000
sudden you find yourself oh i'm in this

1668
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,760
user interface and this is how i see

1669
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,599
reality and this is what it all means to

1670
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,920
me and it might not even be the truth of

1671
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,000
who you really are underneath all of

1672
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,000
that because all of that might have just

1673
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,480
been taught to you or put in there

1674
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:04,319
from the people that that raised you and

1675
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:05,040
so

1676
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,799
the the real truth is what remains uh

1677
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,200
when everything else is gone if all the

1678
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,119
hard drives were erased and computers

1679
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,280
were gone and the books were destroyed

1680
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,040
what's still there and what is that

1681
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:19,280
truth and what real really remains and

1682
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,480
it's that

1683
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,240
human connection with awareness and

1684
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,559
reality and consciousness yeah can i get

1685
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:26,880
it amen oh sorry man that might have

1686
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,970
been miserable amen yeah

1687
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:31,119
[Laughter]

1688
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,400
i'll give you

1689
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:34,400
i just wanted to bring it back a little

1690
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:36,960
bit to the conference because i know

1691
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,880
that this is right around the corner we

1692
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,799
need to get eyes on it so that people

1693
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,160
can absorb

1694
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,680
all of the different pieces you guys

1695
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,040
have put together

1696
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,920
and one of those um pieces comes from

1697
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,599
mexico and

1698
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,440
some people aren't really sure and i'm

1699
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:52,880
gonna say it's not name wrong i

1700
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,240
apologize who musan is but he is the

1701
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,480
george knapp of mexico for those who are

1702
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,160
not aware that's who he is he's the

1703
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,400
george knapp of mexico and there's

1704
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,240
actually a documentary about him that

1705
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,240
you can find i think it might be on

1706
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,839
prime still

1707
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,599
that was really interesting and he's

1708
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,880
going to be there and i was actually

1709
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:13,039
really excited to see his name on that

1710
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:14,799
list and i thought i'd bring it up and

1711
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,440
let you chime in a little bit about that

1712
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,680
yeah jaime moussan he's a awesome

1713
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:21,440
journalist award-winning journalist down

1714
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,720
in mexico

1715
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,559
one of the big reasons why he's coming

1716
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,640
to the event i'm not sure how much i'm

1717
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,319
allowed to talk about this but it is

1718
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:30,480
kind of a teaser for this weekend one of

1719
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:33,680
the unreleased pieces of footage

1720
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,599
military-grade footage that's coming out

1721
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,240
of one of the ufos

1722
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:40,799
has to do with the border it has to do

1723
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:44,160
with relations with mexico and

1724
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,039
may or may not allegedly even cross the

1725
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,760
border and have international

1726
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:52,160
sort of connections and so having

1727
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,039
jaime come and bring awareness down to

1728
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,280
mexico is very relevant to some of the

1729
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,200
new pieces of ufo footage that are being

1730
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,359
released so it's very relevant to the

1731
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,520
audience and i know that we're even uh

1732
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,200
selling a lot of tickets for people that

1733
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,880
are watching online down in mexico it's

1734
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:08,640
very exciting

1735
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,200
yes yes yeah the online streaming is

1736
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,599
always available for everybody so those

1737
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:15,920
are worldwide tickets there you guys so

1738
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,160
it's a three days i'll just touch on

1739
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,400
that really quick um you have your own

1740
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,119
unique code for each day it lasts for 24

1741
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,440
hours uh you are not allowed to share

1742
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,359
that with other people so just so you

1743
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,680
know if you do it will become null

1744
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,599
but yeah i mean everybody is welcome to

1745
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,920
watch this live as you know everybody

1746
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,319
begins 9 a.m uh saturday morning

1747
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,799
avilobe's going to be presenting from

1748
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:40,480
the galileo project

1749
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:43,440
speaking about muammua and what what's

1750
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:46,160
news to all of us so yeah it'll be all

1751
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,880
delivered at the same time so um yeah

1752
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,880
online streaming i highly suggest at

1753
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,039
this point it's not too late so

1754
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,200
definitely check in on that and uh yeah

1755
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:56,640
it's gonna be a beautiful time and by

1756
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:59,599
the way carl your description of this

1757
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:01,760
abstract subject that we also wish to

1758
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,559
follow was beautiful so thanks for

1759
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,880
thanks for being on here tonight too

1760
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,200
oh thanks so much yeah and you know

1761
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,359
steph i think it's ironic that omamura

1762
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,359
looked like an overcooked piece of

1763
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,680
hawaiian spam i don't know if that

1764
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,520
struck you at all or

1765
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:19,599
i'm just trying to pronounce it dj all

1766
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:21,119
right

1767
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:27,280
that was your husband nathan uh do you

1768
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:30,240
have anything else for uh for mr mr vibe

1769
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,280
here

1770
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:33,280
sure yeah so carl uh if we had to mad

1771
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,440
libs this real quick uh give me a few

1772
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,599
adjectives uh for this weekend things

1773
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,880
that come to mind when you think about

1774
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,720
the things you've already seen just to

1775
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,680
give people hype for what's coming up

1776
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,440
oh

1777
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:47,280
validating

1778
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:52,079
refreshing to me that's how it all feels

1779
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,599
to me it feels like

1780
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,520
kind of what i've been waiting for for a

1781
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,440
long time from all these different

1782
01:05:02,230 --> 01:04:59,359
perspectives yeah everybody who

1783
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,240
participates and watches it if you are

1784
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,839
even just watching at home from the live

1785
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:05,760
stream there's going to be something

1786
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:07,280
that comes up over the course of the

1787
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:08,880
weekend that you're going to identify

1788
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:11,680
with or latch on to that you can either

1789
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:15,280
join in take part in get involved in or

1790
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:17,359
or support the cause from whichever

1791
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,599
angle you want to take part in this

1792
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,839
disclosure movement because i think you

1793
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:23,760
know even like lou elizondo says it's

1794
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:26,319
beyond disclosure the cat's already out

1795
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:27,760
of the bag the government's already

1796
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:30,400
admitting that the uf ufos are real

1797
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:32,799
now it's a matter of like understanding

1798
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:35,359
what it is what is this what are we

1799
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:37,039
dealing with what are we looking at and

1800
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,799
how do we approach it how do we even

1801
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,960
look at it and so that's where we're at

1802
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:42,960
now and i think this is really kind of

1803
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,960
the first big conference where we're

1804
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:46,720
trying to do that we're not

1805
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:49,440
discussing so much disclosure as far as

1806
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:52,640
like are these real we're now

1807
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:56,319
digging in that's over it's over

1808
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:58,000
we're not trying to decide if this is

1809
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,400
real or not now we're doing analysis and

1810
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:02,559
we're digging in from a multifaceted and

1811
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:05,119
angled approach from all angles to try

1812
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,880
and do it so uh

1813
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,799
yeah that's more than adjectives what

1814
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:10,720
you're asking for right yeah

1815
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:11,680
yeah

1816
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:16,559
see in kevin's hair it's not a question

1817
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:19,760
of whether it's real yes it's real

1818
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,720
okay deb what do you have

1819
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,079
yeah actually

1820
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,160
i i wanted to chime in a little earlier

1821
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,920
when we were talking about the online

1822
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:30,240
sales because this is actually very

1823
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,599
special we had mentioned earlier nathan

1824
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:35,520
was talking about the legacy

1825
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:38,079
we're at another level now um we're

1826
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,839
giving access to people who are

1827
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,160
interested in this subject but did not

1828
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,880
have access to conferences before i'm

1829
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,640
one of those people i

1830
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,680
i can't afford airplanes so i can't

1831
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:51,760
afford hotel rooms i'm

1832
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,559
i work for a non-profit i'm poor guys so

1833
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:56,640
i'm i'm thrilled that that's available

1834
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,079
to people yeah thank you yeah um so i'm

1835
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,680
thrilled that that's available that we

1836
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,920
have that access and and i just want to

1837
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,599
like tie that in with it's like we're

1838
01:07:11,549 --> 01:07:07,440
making a virtual collective

1839
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,589
49.99 when okay ua ufo disclosure

1840
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,400
symposium this weekend vernal utah

1841
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:20,960
blind fog ranch tons of speakers

1842
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:23,760
including carl the crusher stephanie is

1843
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:25,359
going to be there kind of like being

1844
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,160
cool i i think that's probably you know

1845
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:29,760
like one of her strong suits it's like

1846
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:32,000
her default mode right yeah her default

1847
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,359
mode right

1848
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,799
um so

1849
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:36,720
and you're gonna be when she when is he

1850
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:39,440
coming on the dev the data dojo or data

1851
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,880
dojo debs

1852
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,119
he's actually my first guest when i come

1853
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,599
back from disney world so

1854
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,079
that'll be the i think it's the first

1855
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,240
week in july

1856
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,280
i will be there unless i perish between

1857
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:55,359
now and then carl i'll be there sounds

1858
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,960
awesome that's how much i want to talk

1859
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:58,720
to you again okay

1860
01:08:02,069 --> 01:07:59,760
um

1861
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,079
oh okay and uh steph would like to

1862
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,559
mention the debrief debrief's gonna be

1863
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:06,400
there christine newton micah hanks

1864
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,839
they're gonna be out there supporting

1865
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,839
and rocking it out so you'll be hearing

1866
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,839
from them quite a bit so and tim

1867
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:13,920
mcmillan will be drinking cognac on the

1868
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,880
rhine watching on his computer tim

1869
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:18,080
where are you

1870
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,020
so anyway

1871
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:20,880
[Music]

1872
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,759
oh man um it's been an honor to speak

1873
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:24,799
with you

1874
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,159
uh really this is uh this was a very

1875
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:30,880
very thought provoking very resonant

1876
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,440
with me and not only me everybody here

1877
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,000
but i'm just speaking for me personally

1878
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,400
so yeah i can't wait till you come on

1879
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,239
and then we'll wait since deb you know

1880
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,560
was was so great at booking you we'll

1881
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,920
wait a little bit and then we'll get you

1882
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,839
on cap

1883
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:47,440
okay

1884
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,199
we got to do that because there's so

1885
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,040
much to discuss with you it's ridiculous

1886
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,189
so everybody say goodbye to my man carl

1887
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:59,040
the crusher

1888
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,560
appreciate you guys thanks so much for

1889
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:02,640
having me it's been awesome make some

1890
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:07,120
thank you

1891
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,239
[Music]

1892
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:10,719
all right for uh for cavs for money

1893
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,239
nathan for debs for uh stefan delic this

1894
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:17,199
is dj saying peace out

1895
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,480
one love

1896
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,560
we'll see you down the road and remember

1897
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:22,480
this crew is always wondering what's up

1898
01:09:26,250 --> 01:09:24,159
around the bend